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नेपाल जापान डट् कम् सम्वाददाता


टोक्योमा आइतबार भएको 'साझा बहस' कार्यक्रमबाट सबै संघसंस्थाहरुको सहमतिमा ५ बूंदे टोक्यो घोषणापत्र जारी गर्दै मेघराज नेपालको संयोजकत्वमा २५ सदस्यीय 'साझा संयन्त्र' निर्माण गरिएको छ ।


  जापानमा क्रियाशील विभिन्न संघसंस्थाहरुको उपस्थितिमा भएको साझा बहस कार्यक्रममा जापानमा नेपालीहरुले भोग्दै आउनु परेको समस्याहरु र समाधानका उपायहरु बिषयमा केन्द्रीत रहेको थियो । अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली समाज जापानको आयोजनामा भएको उक्त बहस कार्यक्रममा ब्यवसायी र कामदारबीच असमझदारीका कारण उत्पन्न समस्या, नवागन्तुकहरुको लागि रोजगारीका समस्या, भारतीय नागरिक श्रीमान र नेपाली श्रीमतीबाट जापानमै जन्मेका बालबच्चाहरुको नागरिकता प्रमाणपत्र पाउन नसकेको कारण उत्पन्न समस्या, गोविन्द मैनालीका समस्यालगायतका अत्यन्त संबेदनशील बिषय़हरुका बारेमा बिस्तृतमा छलफल भएको थियो । छलफलमा यी र यस्ता समस्या भोगीरहेका पींडित पक्षहरुबाट शंकर अधिकारी, प्रतिक्षा गौतम, सुदिप सापकोटा लगायतले आ-आफ़्ना अत्यन्त हृदयबिदारक पींडा ब्यक्त गरेका थिए ।



साझा बहसमा सहभागी भई आ-आफ़्ना धारणा ब्यक्त गर्नेहरुमा मेघराज नेपाल, डा. कुमार बस्नेत, जापानी नागरिक आजुमा सान, भवन भट्ट, भूषण घिमिरे, चिरिञ्जिवी थापा, महेश श्रेष्ठ, सूर्य पाठक, सुनिलकुमार शाक्य, छक्कु उदासी, कपिलदेव थापा, प्रकाश पौड्याल 'माईला', रोशन केसी, राजेन्द्र पराजुली, इन्द्रमणि शर्मा गैरे, बाबुराम भण्डारी, जोन छन्त्याल, तिलक मल्ल, डा. राम गिरी, शालिकराम भण्डारी, पुष्करजंग थापा, सुरेश केसीलगायतका हुनुहुन्थ्यो ।
आयोजक संस्थाका अध्यक्ष शालिकराम भण्डारीद्वारा सहभागीहरुको स्वागत गर्दै कार्यक्रमको औचित्यमाथि प्रकाश पार्नुभएको थियो भने महासचिव अर्जुन अधिकारीले साझा बहस कार्यक्रम कुशलतापूर्वक सञ्चालन गर्नुभएको थियो । कार्यक्रमको अन्तमा समुद्रपारि डट कमका प्रधान सम्पादक तिलक मल्लद्वारा प्रस्तुत गरिएको "जापानमा नेपालीहरुका समस्या र समाधानका उपायहरु" बिषयक अवधारणापत्रलाई आधार मानी '५ बूँदे टोकियो घोषणा पत्र' जारी गर्दै साझा बहसको समापन गरियो ।



उक्त भेलाले जारी गरेको साझा घोषणा पत्र
१. जापानमा देखिएका नेपालीहरुका यावत् समस्याहरुको समाधान गर्दै यहाँ बिद्यमान बिकृति, बिसंगति लगायत आम नेपालीका सरोकारका बिषयमा आवाज उठाउन र आवश्यकताअनुसार दबाब दिन, खबरदारी गर्न, सम्बन्धित पक्षहरुलाई सचेत र सजग बनाउन सबै संघसंस्थाहरुको सहमतिमा जापानमा नागरिक समाजको भूमिका निर्बाह गर्ने गरी एउटा साझा संयन्त्र (मेकानिज्म) निर्माण गर्ने ।



२. साझा संयन्त्रको संयोजन गर्ने जिम्मा एनआरएन जापानलाई दिने ।



३. साझा संयन्त्रलाई सबै संघसंस्थाहरुको सहयोग समर्थन रहने गरी देहायका संस्थाहरुबाट अनिबार्य प्रतिनिधित्व रहने ब्यवस्था गर्ने
क. एनआरएन जापानबाट
ख. अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली समाज जापानबाट
ग. नेपाली समाज संगठन (नाज) बाट
घ. राजनीतिक प्रकृतिका संगठनहरुको प्रतिनिधित्व गर्दै शान्ति तथा लोकतान्त्रिक नेपाली मञ्चबाट
ङ. नेपाली जनसर्म्पर्क समिति जापानबाट
च. नेकपा एमाले जापान प्रवास कमिटीबाट
छ. संयुक्त लोकतान्त्रिक गणतान्त्रिक मोर्चा जापानबाट
ज.जनजातीय संस्थाहरुको प्रतिनिधित्व गदै जनजाती महासंघबाट
च. नेपाली बिद्यार्थी समाज जापान (नेसाज) बाट
ज. यहाँका नेपाली मिडिया हाउसहरुको तर्फबाट १/१ जना
झ. समाजसेवी, बुद्धिजीवी, ब्यापारी, महिला तथा सर्बसाधारणबाट १, १ जना
ञ. पींडितहरुबाट आवश्यकताअनुसार



४. यसरी निर्माण गरिएको साझा संयन्त्रको कार्यसूची देहायअनुसारको हुने छ -
क. सबैभन्दा पहिले जापानका नेपालीहरुले भोग्नुपरेका समस्याहरुको पहिचान र बर्गिकरण गर्ने ।
ख. समस्याको पहिचान भईसकेपछि समाधानका उपायहरुको खोजी गर्ने ।
ग. नेपाली समाजमा बिद्यमान बिकृति, बिसंगतिलाई निरुत्साहित गर्ने
घ. जापानका नेपालीका लागि अति आवश्यक र सूचनामूलक सामाग्री पस्कन यहाँका मिडियाहरुलाई थप जिम्मेवार बनाउने
ङ. राजदूतावाससंग सम्बन्धित सवालहरुमा सामूहिक छलफल गरी समाधानको बाटो पहिल्याउने
च. माथिका सबै कार्ययोजना सम्पन्न गर्नका लागि एउटा नेपाली कोष खडा गर्ने ।
छ. संयन्त्रमा प्रतिनिधित्व गरेका सबै सघसंस्थाहरुले उक्त कोषमा हरेक महिना न्यूनतम शुल्क संकलन गर्दै जाने ।
ज. यहाँका नेपालीहरुलाई कुनै न कुनै संघसंस्थाप्रति आबद्ध हुन अपिल गर्ने
झ. नेपालीहरुका लागि अत्यावश्यक सूचना तथा जानकारीका लागि तत्सम्बन्धि सामाग्रीहरुको संगालोकारुपमा हरेक महिना एउटा मासिक नेपाली बुलेटिन प्रकाशन गर्ने
ञ. बिस्तृतमा संयन्त्र सञ्चालनबिधि सम्बन्धि निर्देशिका तयार गर्ने ।



५. साझा संयन्त्रको संयोजन गर्ने जिम्मा एनआरएन जापानलाई दिइएअनुसार मेघराज नेपालको नाम सिफारिश भईआएको हुँदा श्री नेपालको संयोजकत्वमा आवश्यकताअनुसार केही सदस्यहरु संयोजकले थप्न सक्ने अधिकार प्रत्यायोजन गर्दै देहायक संस्थाहरुबाट देहायका ब्यक्तिहरु प्रतिनिधी रहेको साझा संयन्त्र निर्माण गरियो ।
१. संयोजक मेघराज नेपाल, एनआरएन जापान
सदस्यहरु
२. महेशकुमार श्रेष्ठ, नेपाली जनसम्पर्क समिति
३. सूर्य पाठक, नेकपा एमाले जापान प्रवास कमिटी
४. शालिकराम भण्डारी, अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली समाज जापान
५. जोन छन्त्याल, अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली समाज जापान
६. भूषण घिमिरे, शान्ति तथा लोकतान्त्रिक नेपालीमञ्च
७ चिरिञ्जिवी थापा, नेपाली ब्यवसायी संघ जापान
८. भवन भट्ट, एनआरएन जापान
९. तिलक मल्ल, (सञ्चारकर्मी) समुद्रपारि डट कम
१०. डा. कुमार बस्नेत, (सञ्चारकर्मी) नेपाल जापान डट कम
११. राजेन्द्र पराजुली, नेपाली बिद्यार्थी संगठन जापान
१२. ओम गुरुङ, नेपाली आदिबासी जनजाती महासंघ
१३. दिनेश गुरुङ, नेपाली आदिबासी जनजाती महासंघ
१४. सुनिलकुमार शाक्य, नेपाली आदिबासी जनजाती महासंघ
१५. ध्रुब भट्टचन नेपाली, आदिबासी जनजाती महासंघ
१६. डा. पूजन बस्नेत, दिदीबहिनी समाज जापान
१७. बाबुराम भण्डारी, समाजसेवी
१८. रोशन केसी, बुद्धिजीवी
१९. डा. राम गिरी, बुद्धिजीवी
२०. दिवाकर ज्ञवाली, नागरिक समाज
२१. छक्कू उदासी, महिला
२२. सुदिप सापकोटा, पींडित
२३. प्रतिक्षा गौतम, पींडित
२४. भूपालमान श्रेष्ठ, संयुक्त लोकतान्त्रिक गणतान्त्रिक मोर्चा
२५. अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली साहित्य समाज (नाम आउन बाँकी)

Post Merge: February 05, 2009, 08:27:12 AM
भारतीय नागरिक श्रीमान र नेपाली श्रीमतीबाट जापानमै जन्मेका बालबच्चाहरु के नेपाली नागरिकता दिन मिल्छ त?
मिल्छ भने ति झापामा भएका भुटानीहरुलाई किन नेपाली नागरिकता नदिने? दर्जिलिङ मा भएका नेपाली मुलका भारतीयहरुलाई किन नेपाली नागरिकता नदिने? सिक्किममा भएका नेपाली मुलकाहरुलाई किन नेपाली नागरिकता नदिने?
यदी नेपालको कानुनले उनिहरुलाई नेपाली नागरिकता दिन मिल्दैन भने यि माथिका NRN लगायत नेपाली संघ संस्था र राजनैतीक पार्टीका जस्ले यो समस्याको समर्थन गरेर नेपाल राजदुताबासमा डेलिगेसन जान्छ उनिहरुलाई के भन्ने? के उनिहरुलाई नेपालको संबिधानको बारेमा अलिकता पनि ज्ञान छैनन त? कि उनिहरु बिकेका हुन त? बिकेका हुन भने उनिहरुलाई पवित्र संघ संस्था र Democracy को backbone मानिने राजनैतीक दलहरुको भात्री संस्थामा बस्न लाज लाग्दैन?
स्मरण रहोस अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय नेपाली समाज जापानका अध्यक्ष श्री शालिकराम भण्डारी पनि भारतीय हुन जो NRN Japan कोषाध्यक्ष हुनु हुन्छ।
आफ्नै बिधान बिपरित काम गर्ने NRN लाई हेर्दा लाज नै लागेर आउछ।

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really quite informative...and thoughtful...
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I agreed with Sherpa Comments. Useless Nepali organization in Japan. 1st take care a problem of who hold the Cook Visa. They paid much money to came in Japan. Their are lot of jobless people in Tokyo....

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Dear Sherpa dai,

I dont know how to address the issue that you have raised regarding the baby from Indian father and Nepali mother. Well, as far as my understanding goes the baby has the natural right to hold the nepali and indian passport. However, we cant deny the fact that the baby born in Japan may be entitled to enjoy the Japnese citizenship. I am glad to hear that the father of the baby is intigrated with the neplese community and working for the Neplese welfare society. To work for a Nepali i dont think you have to be nepali. lots of westerners are working for nepal and nepali why not this indian father??

Regarding your concern about Bhutnese refugee in Jhapa. Tecnically speaking they hold the Bhutnese Citizenship and they had to flee the country because of the atrocities carried out by the Bhutnese government. Nepal was not in the situation to grant the settlement for those refugees therefore in the mediation of UNHCR united states agreed to give them the settlement in the states and the issues of Bhutnese refugee was resolved.

Take care Sherpa dai

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yo thulo issue ho
ma kaile ni dual citizenship ko paksya maa chaina
khas yo kaam ni chaina ani yedi nepali ama ho babu bidesi ho vane tyo case maa right should be given to child to choose his/her citizenship.
desh lai chaine bela desh maa nabasne ani jaba desh ramro huncha desh maa aune yesto haru lai dual citizen diyera k kaam
jaba sankat parcha desh chodne ani jaba ramro vayo desh aune kosis garne 2-3 barsa bidesh basnu naramro kura haina koi le kai badyta hola aarthik,samajir ani saichik tara bideshi nagarkita line ani pachi nepali ni pauna parcha vanne yesto chai hudai hunna
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Dear Soamed,

buddy, ''yo mann ta mero mero nepali ho'' is what you have written on ur avatar right??? if you are working and living abroad then i dont have to tell you what home means to you. well, about dual citizenship... i m not sure sure there is any provision for that in nepali constitution. NRN are raising this dual citizenship and the government of nepal is working for that. i believe, in 2-3 years time NRN will be able to have dual citizenship. in my opinion if this will be the case then NRN can easily get involve in local economics. NRN's mann panii nepalii naii ho soamed daii.

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dear alyeshia
hajur ko bichar sahi ho
maile mathi pani vaneko chu ni hernus naa nepali man hune haru nepali citizenship pauna sakincha yedi uni haru cahanchan vane tara josle nepal chodera gayeko cha permanetly tyasto lai nadeu
yedi uni haru ko chora chori cahanchan vane chai uni haru ko bichar anusar deu matra vanna khojeko,maile mathi pani vane 2-4 barsa bidesh basnu ramro nai ho naya naya kura sikincha naya naya kura janincha tara nepali nagarkita nai chodera bideshi hune afu le kaam garna sakne bela bidesh basne ani naskne bela desh samjera vayena ni usko galti ko sajay usko chora chori lai dinu vayena vanera nai maile chora chori ko marji anusar citizenship deu matra vanna khojeko ho

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@ Alyeshia
Good day.
I agree with your point of view morally but not technically. I don't know about Indian constitution but baby born from foreign father and Nepali mother has right to hold Nepali citizenship only if the mother gives birth in Nepal. That's what our interim constitution 2063 says. And we cannot deny that fact too.

Working on Nepali community and welfare is not a problem but the problem is holding position on well known Nepalese associations that has their own constitution that never gives permission to act so.
Do you agree if some non Nepali takes place of president of Nepal in name of nation's development and welfare?
I still remember few days back how Nepalese citizen response on oath of vice president of Nepal.

I had been always against of duel citizenship. There is saying in Nepali चिचीको पनि लोभ पापाको पनि लोभ.  How many of we NRN holding foreign citizenship?  10? 100? 10000? I guess less then 100 and how many from those less then 100 are wealthy enough to do big investment in Nepal? 10? 20? 50? I guess less then 10. How many countries allows there people to carry two passports?  Do we 98% NRN holding Nepalese passport need visa to go Nepal? Do we need any permission to invest in Nepal? Do we need permission to buy a house? Do we need permission to make donation in Nepal? NO.
How long it been after establishment of NRN and how many NRN had made public investment in Nepal? How many of them had provided job to Nepali living in Nepal? 
Besides the Nepalese government has agree to issue permanent resident visa for those NRN holding passport other then Nepali and not asking visa fee to them, then why they need duel citizenship?
Here in Japan baby born by Nepali father and Japanese mother holds either Nepali passport or Japanese passport. Japanese constitution doesn't allow one to carry duel citizen. Tomorrow if the baby wishes to carry Nepali passport then he/she has to drop Japanese citizenship and he/she has legal right to hold Nepali citizenship becouse his/her father is Nepali. So most of country doesn't allow their people to hold duel citizenship then why we are forcing our government to change the constitution? Why we don't force to change constitution of the country we are living? Why we are making big issue to duel citizenship? Who will gets the benefit of duel citizenship? Why we are raising sound for those less then 2% selfish NRN who had left us in bad time and had forgot to speak Nepali.
Be proud of to be a Nepali.
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About the Bhutanese refugee it was only example of why not? Other hand now the case is settled by United State but we cannot ignore they had lived in that unmanaged village and camp for long years. And oh yes refugee doesn't has citizenship of any country. Their right of citizenship is revoke before they are kick out otherwise we don't call them refugee. 

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@ Alyeshia
Good day.
I agree with your point of view morally but not technically. I don't know about Indian constitution but baby born from foreign father and Nepali mother has right to hold Nepali citizenship only if the mother gives birth in Nepal. That's what our interim constitution 2063 says. And we cannot deny that fact too.

Working on Nepali community and welfare is not a problem but the problem is holding position on well known Nepalese associations that has their own constitution that never gives permission to act so.
Do you agree if some non Nepali takes place of president of Nepal in name of nation's development and welfare?
I still remember few days back how Nepalese citizen response on oath of vice president of Nepal.

I had been always against of duel citizenship. There is saying in Nepali चिचीको पनि लोभ पापाको पनि लोभ.  How many of we NRN holding foreign citizenship?  10? 100? 10000? I guess less then 100 and how many from those less then 100 are wealthy enough to do big investment in Nepal? 10? 20? 50? I guess less then 10. How many countries allows there people to carry two passports?  Do we 98% NRN holding Nepalese passport need visa to go Nepal? Do we need any permission to invest in Nepal? Do we need permission to buy a house? Do we need permission to make donation in Nepal? NO.
How long it been after establishment of NRN and how many NRN had made public investment in Nepal? How many of them had provided job to Nepali living in Nepal? 
Besides the Nepalese government has agree to issue permanent resident visa for those NRN holding passport other then Nepali and not asking visa fee to them, then why they need duel citizenship?
Here in Japan baby born by Nepali father and Japanese mother holds either Nepali passport or Japanese passport. Japanese constitution doesn't allow one to carry duel citizen. Tomorrow if the baby wishes to carry Nepali passport then he/she has to drop Japanese citizenship and he/she has legal right to hold Nepali citizenship becouse his/her father is Nepali. So most of country doesn't allow their people to hold duel citizenship then why we are forcing our government to change the constitution? Why we don't force to change constitution of the country we are living? Why we are making big issue to duel citizenship? Who will gets the benefit of duel citizenship? Why we are raising sound for those less then 2% selfish NRN who had left us in bad time and had forgot to speak Nepali.
Be proud of to be a Nepali.
जननी जन्मभूमिष्च स्वर्गादपि गरियसि   
:scout_en:

About the Bhutanese refugee it was only example of why not? Other hand now the case is settled by United State but we cannot ignore they had lived in that unmanaged village and camp for long years. And oh yes refugee doesn't has citizenship of any country. Their right of citizenship is revoke before they are kick out otherwise we don't call them refugee. 

@soiamd
बाउ आमाले गरेको पापको फल छोरा छोरी ले पाउछ यो रितीको रिवाज हो र पाउनु पनि पर्छ भन्नेमा म मान्यता राख्छु। जब सम्म पापीले आफुले गरेको पापको फल आफ्न भाबी पिडिले भोग्नुपर्छ भन्ने ज्ञान दिलाउन सकिदैन पापको अन्त्य कहिल्यै हुँदैन शायद गीताले पनि यही भन्छ होला।
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dear sharpa dai,

its really nice to read your opinion and logic. really appreciated.
there is a saying little knowledge is always dangerous. i am not a student of neplese law and cant vouch for my limited information in regards to the interem constitution of nepal 2063. i found you very patriotric individual in a sense of venetial blind. you have to love your country and of course जननी जन्मभूमिष्च स्वर्गादपि गरियसि but it doesn't mean that outsider cant make or call nepal their home. the baby is still young and he/she got more options than we are talking. well, i dont know the constitution of organization but of course i have a little bit idea on the charter.i believe the indian fella is more qualified and involved in the community then you. no offence sherpa dai.

regarding NRN, and their investment; 2 major mobile company and a leading commercial bank in kathmandu are the example of big investment. sherpa dai, money attracks money. what NRN are actually asking with the gov. is an environment to invest. you hold the neplese pasport and you dont know the hurdle to get the lisence to start your bussiness in nepal. if you are going to invest in japan, the government allows you to stay and do you bussiness but that doesn't happen in nepal you can invest your money but you can't stay in the county for no more than 3 months. that is the reason why we can see people with money from nepal are migrating to uk, us, japan, australlia, singapore, hongkong and even in china. right now we dont need major investments in nepal. we need small and medium scales of investments and we need the environment.

you will be amazed sherpa dai if you ever visit cambridge plz let me know i can introduce you with few british who can speak nepali far better than you.they born in uk but they love nepal and nepali. and call nepal their home. what you gonna say to them??

And another thing sherpa dai ''बाउ आमाले गरेको पापको फल छोरा छोरी ले पाउछ यो रितीको रिवाज हो र पाउनु पनि पर्छ भन्नेमा म मान्यता राख्छु। जब सम्म पापीले आफुले गरेको पापको फल आफ्न भाबी पिडिले भोग्नुपर्छ भन्ने ज्ञान दिलाउन सकिदैन पापको अन्त्य कहिल्यै हुँदैन शायद गीताले पनि यही भन्छ होला।'' unfortunately sherpa dai srimadvagwat gita doesn't agree with your opinion. if you think it does plz dont forget to post the name of the chapter and the slok no. if you got time please spend some time dwelling on karma yogh (chapter 3) and Gyan sanyas yogh (chapter 4).


with regards
Alyeshia

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